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Dumping This Here American vs. European home building

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u/SlobZombie13 Garbage Guerilla 17h ago

brick is by far the best material for preventing attacks from big bad wolves

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u/Ok-Disk-2191 Trash Trooper 17h ago

I don't know, also feeding both your other siblings to the wolf helps too.

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u/PsyKeablr Trash Trooper 17h ago

That only works if you have a steady supply of siblings though

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u/EZKTurbo Trash Trooper 12h ago

I come from a Catholic family, I've got at least 2 weeks worth of siblings to burn through

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u/JDelcoLLC Trash Trooper 16h ago

A litter of pigs is usually around 10 or 12, or so I've just Bing'd, so the odds are in your favor

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u/SlayJayR17 Trash Trooper 12h ago

Plus over time they pigs will get bigger so you can give the wolf less pig

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u/Puzzled-Priority-352 Trash Trooper 5h ago edited 5h ago

I just asked Jeeves and he said Bing is right

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u/BoniMarce Trash Trooper 12h ago

stop taking them to market then!

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u/workfromhomedad_A2 Trash Trooper 17h ago

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u/Infinite_____Lobster Trash Trooper 14h ago

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u/sundance464 Trash Trooper 16h ago

Surely letting your siblings shelter with you and then setting a big fire under your tempting chimney is the correct answer?

Although to be fair feeding your loved ones to the wolf is more on trend for the 21st century

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u/foyrkopp Trash Trooper 16h ago

The fourth little piggy built its house out of wolf skulls.

It wasn't very sturdy, but it did send a message.

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u/SlobZombie13 Garbage Guerilla 16h ago

you're the second person to mention wolf skulls. is that an actual part of the story that gets left out?

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u/foyrkopp Trash Trooper 15h ago

It's an smbc comic. A sibling comment to mine has a direct link.

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u/Mad_Aeric Trash Trooper 11h ago

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wolf

Similar to xkcd, there's an smbc for nearly every situation.

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u/Iorith Trash Trooper 17h ago

I think wolf heads would be even better. If your entire house is built out of the skulls of other wolves, they're probably not gonna wanna come near you.

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u/Arthur_Frane Trash Trooper 15h ago

But then you get infestations of Vampire the Masquerade LARPers.

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u/Iorith Trash Trooper 15h ago

Just make the door require someone to shower, to open.

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u/fireduck Trash Trooper 17h ago
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u/LabOwn9800 Trash Trooper 17h ago

Yeah but I can complete a straw house fast and then chill. So I’m gonna do that.

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u/Worried-Industry6239 Trash Trooper 16h ago

As a big bad wolf, I disagree. Straw is by far the easiest and best material to build with

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u/dorkmuncan Trash Trooper 16h ago

(╭ರ_•́)

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u/mythrilcrafter Trash Trooper 12h ago

I'm friends with the wolf who ate red riding hood's grandma, house material shouldn't matter if you're good enough at gaslighting to be allowed to just walk in through the front door.

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u/WideHuckleberry1 Trash Trooper 16h ago

Yeah but wood is best for landing on wicked witches. It's all a tradeoff; neither is inherently better.

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u/FixItDumas Trash Trooper 16h ago edited 6h ago

Chicagoland here - insurance companies should be replacing all of our siding and roofs as if the wolves are attacking. Thank you all for paying more so I can get my 3rd roof replacement after this week’s storms.

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u/Comfortable-Yak-6599 Trash Trooper 17h ago

Who do you think wrote that book, quoting big brick propaganda over here.

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u/CptHammer_ Waste Warrior 17h ago

The truth about sticks Big Brick doesn't want you to know.

Check out my podcast where we delve into the mysteries of dob and waddle and why it's now banned.

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u/throwaway46787543336 Trash Trooper 16h ago

I dunno. I just found out the first little piggie didn’t go to market to shop and that just flipped my whole world upside down. Are birds real? I’m not sure what to believe anymore

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u/SlobZombie13 Garbage Guerilla 15h ago

What if the hokey pokey isn't what it's all about?

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u/StellaSlayer2020 Trash Trooper 14h ago

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u/thelivinlegend Trash Trooper 14h ago

Or just dial 911 and get Rambo

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u/SlobZombie13 Garbage Guerilla 14h ago

Yo, wolf-face, I'm your worst nightmare

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u/L4I55Z-FAIR3 Trash Trooper 16h ago

Nice try big brick my local straw seller tiped me off on your propaganda.

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u/One-Earth9294 Trash Trooper 14h ago

Big if true

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u/shaker28 Trash Trooper 13h ago

"SlobZombie13 bricks up when he sees a bbw"

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u/BushOnBox Trash Trooper 17h ago

In my house of sticks the guns are a pretty good deterrent.

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u/Goudinho99 Trash Trooper 18h ago

And what about thermal effects and noise insulation?

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u/MonkeyTigerRider Trash Trooper 17h ago

And longevity.

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u/CaptainFlint9203 Trash Trooper 17h ago

Well made wood house will last for generations, well made brick house will last centuries. Both badly made will not last your stay.

I'm from Europe. On my grandma's plot there was a wooden barn, it was much older than some brick houses and in better shape than them.

My ex had a wood house that was more than century old. Still in great shape. And there are brick houses that are older than USA.

I'm preparing to build a house for myself. There are no earthquakes, no storms, no natural disasters where I live. My house gonna be build from wood. It should last at least for my grandchildren, and by then, looking at how urbanisation is going, the plot of land should be worth enough to destroy the house and sell the plot.

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u/heffla Trash Trooper 17h ago

Im from Sweden. The village i grew up in had a church with a chapel from the late 1200's. Some of the oldest wooden houses were from the mid 1600's. My neighbor's house had been inhabited about a century when the US declared independence.

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u/wayfarevkng Trash Trooper 16h ago

Älgarås?

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u/scnottaken Trash Trooper 15h ago

No thanks I don't like math

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u/Obvious_Mention7207 Trash Trooper 14h ago

loool

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u/VikingsLad Trash Trooper 14h ago

Gesundheit

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u/EmptyMonitor9257 Trash Trooper 16h ago

I mean we have houses and building older than 2000 years in southern Europe. Most were destroyed due to no one living there anymore or war, otherwise they remain standing.

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u/breathing__tree Trash Trooper 15h ago

The old growth wood that was used in historical buildings was also much better than the wood that we use for building today which helps.

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u/Chad_illuminati Trash Trooper 17h ago

Well made wood houses last centuries too, tbh. One of the houses I grew up in was a wood house on a stone foundation that predated the US by about 120 years.

Obviously modern construction doesn't do that, but that's an issue with build quality not build style.

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u/singlemale4cats Trash Trooper 16h ago

Well made wood houses last centuries too, tbh.

Yep, with maintenance. Any abandoned structure will rot. Entropy is relentless.

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u/Enraiha Trash Trooper 16h ago

The true universal constant, the trend of all things towards entropy. Chaos reigns.

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u/CoolAtlas Trash Trooper 13h ago

Isn't it the opposite? Eventually entropy kills chaos

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u/21Rollie Trash Trooper 15h ago

I went to an abandoned village in Mexico, in the desert. It’s been abandoned for around 100 years. The walls were made of stone but the roofs long ago collapsed and nature was growing all around them. It’s wild how in a dry environment it got that “ancient ruins” look and it wasn’t even that old. Crazy to think other abandoned cities, for example roman ones in North Africa, probably only needing a little bit of time without human habitation to turn into ruins. And all the lost Mayan or Amazonian cities probably only needed a couple decades to disappear.

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u/-wolfinator- Trash Trooper 10h ago

There's an old abandoned town near me in the US. An old mining town abandoned about 100 years ago. Pretty much everything is gone except for some old foundations / concrete fixtures built for industrial use. The entirety of the (presumably wood) town is fully gone. No ancient ruins. Just gone.

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u/texinxin Trash Trooper 15h ago edited 13h ago

Modern construction when done properly can absolutely last centuries. You might have to re-side and/or reroof a few times, but that is true for any construction technique.

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u/Chad_illuminati Trash Trooper 15h ago

When I refer to modern builders, I'm mostly addressing megacorp development firms popping up house farms.

There are always local builders doing good work with good skills, but sadly the majority of new residences built are at the hands of the megacorps, not local builders.

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u/texinxin Trash Trooper 15h ago

That’s fair. Even then, a home built today even by mass home builders is of higher quality than they were 50 years ago, primarily due to advances in techniques and materials, but also building codes.

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u/redisdead__ Garbage Guerilla 17h ago

And if they decide not to sell it but instead they want to take it down and put maybe a duplex or a triplex to hold multiple members of the family because that's the best choice then it works as well. I don't understand why anyone would think that the best choice 200 years from now for that particular area would be exactly the same as the best choice today.

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u/Mammoth-Glove3273 Trash Trooper 16h ago

They’re the same people that think people in North America should build like people in Europe do despite the two continents having different challenges and resources.

And that’s the same dumb energy anyone has when they try to make sweeping generalizations based on limited information. Like conservatives and government, why don’t we just do X? Well, because it doesn’t work because of xyz, did you really think we’re all idiots and you’re the first person to think of this really obvious and easy solution?

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u/ayriuss Trash Trooper 13h ago

Its also funny that they always talk about "American" houses, when wood houses are built all over the world. Japan, Canada, Northern Europe, etc.

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u/Mammoth-Glove3273 Trash Trooper 13h ago

Well yeah but it’s not cool to hate on those countries

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u/AlexHimself Garbage Guerilla 16h ago

well made brick house will last centuries

After centuries, you have a crappy old house that doesn't fit the modern times though...so what's the point? The construction cost, amortized over centuries, is pennies too.

An example for some really old European homes - No HVAC, no electrical, indoor plumbing, low ceilings, low door frames, etc.

I'd argue the ease of remodeling, construction, changes, etc. outweigh the "centuries" style building, given how humans actually use homes.

I think an argument can be made for both.

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u/bleepbloop1900 Trash Trooper 12h ago

The tiny wooden century farmhouse I grew up in in Canada also still has low ceilings, doors, and no HVAC lol
We do have an indoor plumbing and electricity though, as does every old brick European house I’ve ever visited.

Anyway where y’all get all that money to renovate your houses?

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u/Kekkonen_Kakkonen Trash Trooper 16h ago

Europe also has wooden buildings from the middle ages.

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u/Poster_Nutbag207 Trash Trooper 17h ago

I grew up in an all wood house built in 1720 so I’m pretty sure they can have longevity

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u/Telemere125 Trash Trooper 17h ago

I don’t need my house to outlive me if it costs exponentially more to build and maintain

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u/TheBSQ Trash Trooper 16h ago edited 15h ago

If you buy new. 

I have a 100 year old house.

It outlived the first occupants, and has lasted generations…but it’s new to me and the longevity issues are coming home to roost under my tenure as the owner. 

And it sucks. 

But…due to changing in zoning laws, etc. it’s really hard to buy a new house with the sort of walkability & transit infrastructure like what my neighborhood has, but all the houses here are 100 years old, so if I want to live here, or in a neighborhood like it, I have to buy an old wood house. 

To get a new one, I have to go to some new subdivision in some godforsaken car-dependent & treeless suburb where you gotta drive 15-20 minutes just to get to some shitty strip mall with bad national chains. 

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u/LabOwn9800 Trash Trooper 17h ago

Plus wood is renewable while bricks aren’t.

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u/Winjin Trash Trooper 16h ago

Bricks are clay why aren't they renewable

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u/Oglshrub Trash Trooper 16h ago

It takes hundreds of years for the Earth to make more clay.

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u/AftyOfTheUK Trash Trooper 16h ago

Are we using bricks at a greater rate than the earth is renewing them? What reserves does the earth currently have? What year will we run out?

I'll give you a quick answer... we've used about 0.00003% of all available clay. It makes up a significant percentage of the earths brittle crust. We will not run out of it

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u/HegemonNYC Trash Trooper 16h ago

The exterior brick seen here is usually clay. The interior structural blocking is concrete. Both are pretty carbon intensive processes. Wood is carbon negative.

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u/FunGuy8618 Trash Trooper 17h ago

Yeah, that sounds like a bug, not a feature. Appliances, HVAC, electrical wiring, plumbing, etc have updated codes pretty regularly. Maintaining them in a 150 year old home sounds... Very challenging. I hated ripping out cast iron plumbing from a 1950s home, I can't imagine if I had to install Pex through brick as well.

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u/HegemonNYC Trash Trooper 16h ago

Right. The argument of ‘it will still be unchanged in 200 years’ is a negative, not a positive. Being so robust (while still seismically unsound) means it is inflexible as living preferences and technologies change.

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u/NotEntirelyA Trash Trooper 13h ago

It's always funny seeing comments from people saying their house is older than the united states, then in the same paragraph talk about how nobody in the area has air conditioning because it just isn't a thing where they live. I have no idea how they can't come to the conclusion that the two things might just be related, but I guess it's w/e at the end of the day.

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u/vi_sucks Trash Trooper 15h ago

Yup.

And at certain point it's just cheaper and more efficient to buy a new house than to attempt to retrofit an old one.

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u/ImFeelinBotty Trash Trooper 17h ago

The wood outlasts the concrete where I live due to freeze thaw cycles and clay soil.

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u/Ok-Solution5601 Trash Trooper 17h ago

I live in a wood frame house that was built in 1964 and its solid. The most important thing is you need to keep the roof and siding intact otherwise you'll get mold and eventually rot.

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u/Smashogre591 Trash Trooper 17h ago

My parents live in a 1910 wood home in Indiana and foundation shift is its worst enemy

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u/GenGaara25 Trash Trooper 14h ago

1964 is not that long ago. Two weeks ago I was in a house built in 1595, it has a record shop and a discount store on the ground floor (which is really bizarre to look at, modern shops in a 400 year old building).

Like the other guy said, wood houses last generations, brick lasts centuries (if properly made).

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u/scrodytheroadie Trash Trooper 17h ago

I think there's a philosophical difference in play here. Many Americans aren't looking for longevity. They're looking for something that's easily updated to keep up with their personal preferences. When an American buys a house, it's very common to purchase with the plan to renovate either immediately or down the line. I'd be willing to bet that a majority of American houses that are destroyed are by choice and not due to a lack of engineering. Personally, my wood frame house turns 100 next year. It's in great shape and can easily make it another 100, but I'm sure there will be something else standing here by then.

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u/smapdiagesix Trash Trooper 13h ago

Many Americans aren't looking for longevity.

Outside of nobility, someone looking for longevity at the relevant scale -- like 1000+ years instead of eh let's say 150 -- is mostly just foolish. Odds are that ways of living in 200 or 300 years are going to be different enough that whoever's in your "durable" house are going to be pretty annoyed with your choices.

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u/ELSknutson Trash Trooper 17h ago

and cost, and construction time

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u/garaks_tailor Trash Trooper 17h ago

Noise insulation via materials is less important than sealing.   Most noise enters a house through the cracks so it doesn't matter what you build with if the airgaps in the construction aren't sealed well.   After that though the mass of cinder blocks definitely helps a lot more.  The gold standard for how to begin to design a noise insulated house is however disconnection.  You build a secondary wall on the interior or you mount your interior surface in such a way as they are disconnected from the exterior wall.

Thermal effects again come down to construction methods.   Wood is theoretically a better insulator than stone/brick but breaking the thermal bridge from indoors to outdoors and again air sealing counts for more than framing material assuming equivalent insulation and proper insulation placement in the wall system.

(Exception for the framing material thermal counting is stuff like aircrete, mass earth hyperadobe, and other edge cases)

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u/KR4T0S Trash Trooper 15h ago

Most brick houses are cavity wall now so there are two walls with a sizable gap between them. Its designed to reduce thermal bridging but I guess it would apply to sounds of certain frequencies too.

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u/FanBladeFleshlight Trash Trooper 17h ago

Wood walls can do wonders if done right. Dude in the vid is spot on, it's ALL about how it's engineered. Offset 2*4 stud bays with proper air sealing for penetrations and edges are gonna result in whisper quiet rooms and amazing thermal control, while single bay walls that aren't properly sealed are gonna transfer sound and temps as if they weren't even there.

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u/MilesGates Trash Trooper 17h ago

What about it? 

I mean you could go into a billion different ways to measure how effective one thing is over another. We could be here all day. 

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u/FrighteningJibber Trash Trooper 17h ago

Soy insulation and good windows will make it pretty quiet.

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u/Potent_Quotient Trash Trooper 17h ago

I’ve lived in both including wood and brick houses over 100 years old. I’ll pick well constructed and insulated wood or brick vs cheaply constructed wood or brick any time.

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u/Telemere125 Trash Trooper 17h ago

That’s really the answer. Brick can be unstable as fuck if it’s done wrong. And if you notice, the brick in both has nothing to do with the structure; it’s just the veneer decoration.

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u/dryclean_only Trash Trooper 11h ago

But, brick wouldn't have melted like my siding when I had the grill too close to the house. Stupid hot grill.

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u/Homers_Harp Trash Trooper 8h ago

Yes, it's the grill that is stupid…

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u/Tricky-Ad7897 Trash Trooper 16h ago

Yeah but if they're both well constructed I'm taking the brick cause it's way cooler/easier to keep cool in the summer. Also way less noise, I can hear quiet conversations between rooms in my American house, when I lived in Germany I couldn't even hear my parents yelling for me to come down for dinner.

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u/TimeToGloat Trash Trooper 15h ago

Bricks are really bad for the summer though. They should really only be used in cooler climates for that reason although judging by Europe's heatwaves that is less predictable now. Bricks act like a pizza oven and radiate all the heat they absorb during the day into your home at night. That's why they were beneficial for cold places but are literally hell during a heatwave because it means you can't escape the heat even at night. You would be a lot better off with wood and modern insulation when it comes to heat.

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u/Pissonmyface77 Trash Trooper 15h ago

I redid my house. I can’t hear my wife yelling from barely a room way. Rockwool r30 in the ceiling between floors, and two inches of wood floor will do that. And thick solid doors between rooms.

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u/SharkAttackOmNom Trash Trooper 14h ago

It’s amazing how insulation isn’t that cheap in the grand scheme of building a house. But so many builders don’t apply it when building, when it’s cheapest to do it! Yeah you can drill holes and blow in insulation, but it’s not going to be a great seal.

But really another huge issue for multi level homes is that HVAC is run in the walls as well. So you’ll end up with a lot of bays mostly hollow for the supply or return vents. Can be solved by running a dual zone system, unit in the basement, unit in the attic. Again, most affordable if done at construction, not later.

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u/lemony-lemons791 Trash Trooper 17h ago

This was amazing, thank you!!!

https://giphy.com/gifs/l3q2wJsC23ikJg9xe

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u/honestly-brutal Trash Trooper 17h ago

I love this guys channel

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u/Bo_flex Trash Trooper 17h ago

I just found it recently. It's really interesting to watch.

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u/rob6748 Trash Trooper 15h ago

Same! It's mind boggling how much valuable info he's able to fit in those "shorts". Not one second wasted.

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u/craig5005 Trash Trooper 15h ago

He does a really good job of explaining things, plus his demo's are really well done.

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u/megamanxzero35 Trash Trooper 12h ago

I should be able to get a trade job by saying I've watched all this guys videos.

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u/skierdud89 Trash Trooper 16h ago

Anytime he comes across my IG feed I’m obligated to watch even though I no longer work in the trades and have zero plans for building a house myself.

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u/lemony-lemons791 Trash Trooper 17h ago

Just subscribed!

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u/Everything_____Bagel Trash Trooper 13h ago

Me too.  I was already a pretty handy DIYer before I found his channel and have learned a ton from his videos,  he's a great teacher with a talent for breaking down the concepts.

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u/HDWendell Trash Trooper 13h ago

Learned so much from his channel

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u/Able_Specific_6702 Trash Trooper 16h ago

Same, super cool guy and I get to learn something.

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u/Swiss_Reddit_User Trash Trooper 17h ago

This guy's Videos are so good.

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u/Interesting_Tea5715 Rubbish Raider 15h ago

Totally agree. He does an amazing job at explaining accurately and concisely.

When I was in the trades I just had old guys who would mumble vague instructions then yell at you if you did it wrong. Wish I had this guy's videos to lean from.

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u/IlIlllIIllllIIIlIlIl Trash Trooper 15h ago

And he seemingly makes videos without begging for subscribers, financial support, product placement, etc. Definitely one of the good ones on social media.

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u/Stewdill51 Trash Trooper 16h ago

In parts of the US a block/brick building will crumble faster than wood framed house due to seismic activity. It almost like we all build based on availability of materials and for structural needs.

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u/nobuouematsu1 Trash Trooper 14h ago

Stop being logical damn it

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u/LancingLash Trash Trooper 16h ago

It may trap heat but it takes more energy for it to heat up in the first place. That is why a well insulated house of any framing type is better. It keeps heat in and out while taking less energy to do so.

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u/gulliblesuspicious Trash Trooper 17h ago

I love how everyone is brick vs wood. How about "both have their ups and downs depending on your topography and needs"

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u/Exotic_Strain6935 Trash Trooper 17h ago

But, what about “X place worse than Y place”? How would we recognize that X place is worse than Y place if we couldn’t criticize every little thing that X place does?

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u/Tw1nFTW Trash Trooper 17h ago edited 10h ago

I’ve been in home building a large portion of my adult life… this video is amazing. There are so many people who think that wood frame houses are not up to the standards of brick houses. They all have to meet code… the engineering is all that matters.

ETA: The US does not only build wood frame houses, wood frame and CMU are better than brick houses. Brick is decorative in 2026. If you don’t want a wood house, buy a concrete one. I hear they suck in the winter up north though.

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u/Iziama94 Trash Trooper 16h ago

There are so many people who think that wood frame houses are not up to the standards of brick houses

People in this very post will most likely still think this and always think this no matter what evidence they get that shows both ways can be equally as good while being built differently

Someone on Reddit once said 'The more I became an expert in something, the less I trusted people on Reddit about topics'

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u/Bank_Gothic Trash Trooper 16h ago

Someone on Reddit once said 'The more I became an expert in something, the less I trusted people on Reddit about topics'

Michael Crichton called something similar the "Gell-Mann Amnesia effect" and described it this way:

You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

I'm lawyer, and whenever I read reddit's knowledge / opinion about the law, I get a big hit of this effect. Makes it hard to trust anything that doesn't come from a heavily curated subreddit (like askhistorians) or an extreme niche hobby subreddit (where bad info gets called out readily).

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u/Both_Cut_4075 Trash Trooper 13h ago

I unfortunately work in Property Management, only as a maintenance guy, but I’ve definitely picked up more than a few things about fair housing and tenant rights.

I sometimes stumble upon posts where people are throwing out completely incorrect information and laws. Anytime I jump in to say “well hold on that isn’t true” and I say I’m in property management, I immediately get lambasted and called a bootlicker and all sorts of names simply because I have knowledge of a situation.

Reddit is just chock full of people like that. I try to help but it feels so fruitless most of the time.

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u/Gruejay2 Trash Trooper 12h ago

It doesn't help that things like law and property management are often highly dependent on jurisdiction, but many people on Reddit speak as if these things are universal.

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u/Dreadgoat Trash Trooper 12h ago edited 12h ago

My most controversial/downvoted comments are where I speak about a subject in which I am a bona fide expert, subjects where I am confident saying I am in the top 0.1% of knowledge. I won't claim my pro opinions are always correct, but the critical response from redditors never represents a sensical challenge, but they often sound good and ratio me hard.

My most upvoted comments are subjects in which I have a passing interest, an amateur understanding, or just dumb hivemind stuff. Things where I'm speculating out loud or making big assumptions to bridge the gaps in my knoweldge. Rarely I'll see somebody with -7 votes saying why I'm wrong, and I'm never sure if they're a loon or an expert beyond my comprehension.

I get most suspicious of myself when I find I've made a very popular comment.

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u/brientific Trash Trooper 10h ago

I worked with a guy who was very much a demonstrative know-it-all. He was very convincing, even though usually he was just kind of reading something, turning around, and regurgitating it without having done any reflecting on it. But certainly he felt compelled, almost without regard for context, to offer his authoritative opinion (unsolicited) on everything. Now, we were in science, so a lot of the time he’d be giving us lessons on some domain that none of us were experts in so we took his word for it. But then he started talking about college football and the utter imbecility of it was fully exposed to me, and I was like goddamnit this guy’s probably full of shit about everything isn’t he.

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u/LarrySupertramp Trash Trooper 16h ago

100%. Especially anything that could possibly put the US in a negative light. I’ve lived in brick European houses and standard American ones. There really is no big difference.

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u/Different_Bridge_983 Trash Trooper 16h ago

IME a lot of the online bitching about timber houses is just people using it to rag on Americans.

As soon as folks from Canada or Scandinavian countries pop up to say they also use timber I generally see detractors suddenly less enthusiastic about slamming it as a building material.

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u/TheBSQ Trash Trooper 15h ago

As a dual U.S.-Canadian citizen, I really notice this dynamic where Americans get slammed for things that are also common Canada. 

Swap out “American” for “Canadian” and suddenly people are less enthusiastic about slamming it. 

Cuz it’s mostly about ragging on Americans. 

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u/Sherbert-Particular Trash Trooper 14h ago

It's also just an irrelevant argument, we read "why does X country build with X" all the time. Exceedingly rarely do you hear the one real answer that is true no matter where you look in the world... Homes in X country are built with X because they have a lot of X.

The US has abundant timber resources, so does Northern Europe. Those places build predominately with wood. Countries that build with bricks all build with different bricks be they red, orange, or deep brown.

Someone in China wondering why the UK uses red bricks instead of the grey bricks used in large parts of China is materially (pun intended) the same as asking why one country builds with a different material altogether.

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u/Honchoponcho99 Trash Trooper 16h ago

or they'll claim the Norwegians and Japanese are just superior at everything so that doesn't matter

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u/yeowoh Trash Trooper 14h ago

It’s funny seeing houses get framed in Scandinavia. Zero difference from the US when framing.

You could pluck a framer from the US and drop them in on a job in Norway with no issues.

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u/outsidebtw Trash Trooper 15h ago

yeah, Japan mostly uses timber or concrete/steel but the timber residences amazes me. Honestly kind of luck with northern countries with less tectonics clashing at each other vs what Japan has to fight against

No glaze really, most Asian countries near the Ring of Fire could build so, but they really utilize wood structures the most. It all relies on that build quality and most default to concrete and steel structures as they still can be reliable with a subpar building skills and dismissing code requirements (until accidents happen yeah)

but yeah, it happens in Japan as well (I watched news of one random apartment bldg falling without any EQ or weather affecting it this year) but I do admire their build quality

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u/Emis_ Trash Trooper 15h ago

As an european some europeans are so annoying as well, it's not just americans, annoying people are annoying. Both are totally solid construction methods, drive around northern europe and you will see alot of wooden houses. Where there is alot of food there is alot of wooden construction, surprise surprise. Its more about economics than some different way of thinking. If you're in southern europe I imagine good construction lumber isn't that easy to source locally so brick buildings became more popular etc.

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u/Hazelberry Trash Trooper 14h ago

Exactly this. Southern europe and the british isles have very little lumber left, so to build with lumber they have to import it. It simply makes more sense to use what local materials are available.

You see this all over the US as well. Some areas are literal desert and build houses out of adobe because it uses available materials and is effective for the climate. Areas with clay-rich soil use a lot of bricks. Some areas use almost entirely wood because it's what they have available.

This is especially true when looking at older construction, since modern logistics networks have made it a lot easier to move materials around for a lot cheaper.

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u/Hazelberry Trash Trooper 14h ago

When it's brits doing the ragging I like to point out that the only reason they don't use wood is because their ancestors cut down the overwhelming majority of their forests.

Britain was overwhelmingly forests (like 80%) thousands of years ago, but dropped to around 5% by the 20th century due to centuries of clear cutting for agriculture, shipbuilding (it takes a lot of wood to build the largest navy in the world back when wood ships were standard), and fuel before shifting to coal.

Meanwhile despite our best efforts in the americas, we still have a shit ton of trees and can use them for cheaper construction that's easier to work with.

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u/ChazPls Trash Trooper 14h ago

Reddit when Americans make houses out of wood vs when Japan makes houses out of wood

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u/Responsible-Onion860 Trash Trooper 16h ago

You'd love this guy's channel. He does a ton of construction topics this way. Highly condensed construction knowledge showing the dos and donts of different projects.

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u/ACatCalledArmor Trash Trooper 17h ago

I wish this wasn’t framed as a Europe / US discussion but instead just focused on the materials and techniques. 

In Sweden I’d wager more than 70% of all houses (single dwelling units, not apartments and alike) are made wish wood frames. We love our lumber here!

I’m sure there are regional differences across America which premier different techniques too. 

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u/hiihihihihihihihiihi Trash Trooper 15h ago

He didn’t frame it that way, he says in the video it’s about engineering of the structure.

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u/Several-Bluejay-190 Trash Trooper 17h ago

this is an entire college course’s worth of information. this is an intellectual

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u/Bluecobber Trash Trooper 17h ago

Lived in both. Id take brick everytime. Much better with keeping a stable temperature. As well as keeping outside noise low. Brick, more expensive and takes longer. Just my experience

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u/freshgrilled Trash Trooper 17h ago

As someone who lives in the middle of earthquake central, I'll take flexible wood framing over bricks. Every brick building out here has cracks and has had to have major work to be reinforced.

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u/Fubarp Trash Trooper 17h ago

As someone who lives in a tornado area.

I'll take my bunker. Stays cool, and benefit added I can potentially survive a nuclear Holocausts for like 3 days before I call it.

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u/OkEmu8597 Trash Trooper 17h ago

As someone who lives no where near any of you I'm building stick huts in random fields and loving it.

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u/tehbantho Trash Trooper 17h ago

As a reptile living beneath the Denver airport my tunnels and burrows keep me safer than anything imaginable. Survived here 3,000 years so far and they even built an airport on top of my house.

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u/PsyKeablr Trash Trooper 17h ago

It’s better than having a data center built above you

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u/YT-Deliveries Trash Trooper 15h ago

The data center keeps us warm.

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u/FlyFar1569 Trash Trooper 17h ago

As someone who lives on the sun I’m building my home out of neutron-degenerate matter

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u/freedfg Trash Trooper 16h ago

Every single time this topic comes up it's framed as "oh which is better, brick buildings can last hundreds of years"

As if the different materials and preferences aren't specifically used for different case scenarios.

Out in Phoenix or New Mexico. Guess what, houses are concrete or brick. Because they aren't on fault lines and don't face disasterous weather, but do have the occasional fire.

In the tornado alley and hurricane alley, they use wood. Because it might not last as long. But it's a LOT cheaper to rebuilt.

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u/Bluecobber Trash Trooper 17h ago

Well thats another factor. If where you live, there is a good chance your house is shake like hell, yeah, id go something more flexible. Different horses for different courses

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u/Responsible-Onion860 Trash Trooper 16h ago

Depends on your location and climate. I live in a hot and humid area and brick is a bad choice here.

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u/KaizDaddy5 Trash Trooper 17h ago

I live in an American brick and plaster now. The house doesn't cool down at night till way after midnight in the summer. And it takes forever to heat up in the winter and spring.

I guess it's nice in the fall, but in general I prefer the temperature in my previous wood frame homes

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u/Tw1nFTW Trash Trooper 17h ago

I just need to point out that you claim you like brick better, but it’s more expensive… but your issues with frame, could be solved by spending more money and insulating the wall… so you’ve canceled yourself out.

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u/Telemere125 Trash Trooper 17h ago

Yea people that extol the virtues of brick being able to insulate well obviously don’t know that the actual insulation that is put in behind their brick veneer is what’s serving that function and that brick is actually a horrible insulator. My last house was actually a true solid brick structure with plastic laid right on the interior surface. Meaning the bricks of the walls were red clay but as thick as normal cinder blocks. And it was horrible at maintaining a constant temp, even with that much thermal mass. I think people that love brick just dont realize their house is insulated the exact same way as a wood framed house.

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u/Illimited_Esoterica Trash Trooper 15h ago

The truth is that both are fine and viable when done well. People who default to "wood house is bad, brick is better" don't actually know what they're talking about. The real issue is quality and craftsmanship. Many new builds in the US aren't crap because of the material choice (in theory), they're crap because they're sloppily thrown up by contractors who don't know what they're doing and they cut EVERY corner. This guy is describing a scenario where you assume things are done right.

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u/Kid_Presentable617 Trash Trooper 16h ago

Also that North America has an outrageous amount of trees.

https://www.green.earth/blog/top-10-countries-with-the-most-trees

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u/Hazelberry Trash Trooper 13h ago

And that Europe has been severely deforested especially in the last 500 years.

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u/BEARDEDDANGER ✨️Regent of Rubbish ✨️ 17h ago

All of us buddy, because we learnt something new today ❤️

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u/Informal-Ladder-9819 Trash Trooper 17h ago

WHOS NEXT?

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u/bibblebonk Trash Trooper 17h ago

YOU DECIDE!

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u/mmnmnnmnnnm Trash Trooper 17h ago

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u/Tbone_Trapezius Trash Trooper 17h ago edited 16h ago

Don’t forget with 4 cocained up grown men you can frame an entire 2x4 house in about a day.

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u/Tricky-Ad7897 Trash Trooper 16h ago

And in a couple months you get to watch those inspector guys on YouTube tear apart the cocaine contractors shoddily assembled new build.

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u/Ayosuhdude Trash Trooper 17h ago

Actually a really good video, the wall section samples were a fantastic addition.

Also nice to have a video from someone who actually works on homes demonstrate that there's literally nothing wrong with timber builds if designed and built correctly. In fact it's far cheaper and way less work for a product that works just as well.

I literally work as a civil engineer (in wastewater admittedly) and the amount of people on Reddit who's construction experience consists of holding a piece of 2x4 so their dad could screw it to another piece a single time when they were 9 and yet insist they know that European brick buildings are better in every way is crazy. People really gotta stay in their lane when giving advice.

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u/TooApatheticToHateU Trash Trooper 16h ago

Oh, no. Here come all the experts in building materials and engineering to comment on why their country builds homes the right way and the other countries houses are shoddily-built death traps.

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u/Din_Plug Trash Trooper 16h ago

And both are inferior to the power of the Earth.

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u/SinisterCheese Trash Trooper 15h ago

That "European," wall is not compliant with Finnish building methods. It's simply too thin. Also we use steel support beams for fire safety reasons, these get filled with concrete. It's to prevent floor or roof collapsing quickly during a fire.

Also masonry blocks are never primary structure here. They are basically just used to make a wall between primary structures. That wall would realistically be a cast concrete or prefab element.

Also that "European wall" looks to me more like "A Brittish wall".

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u/Hazelberry Trash Trooper 13h ago

It's almost like everywhere in europe does things differently based on local customs, available materials, and environment. It's not like he said it's a Finnish wall.

Similarly houses aren't all built the same across the US, but you don't see us nitpicking the "US wall" for not being code compliant to our specific regions.

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u/richardlpalmer Trash Trooper 17h ago

This guy does really good demonstrations. Love their stuff.

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u/sheepebike9000 Trash Trooper 17h ago

I expected some "this is the best way the other way is stupid" video here, instead I got a surprisingly good, informative but concise video. Great job, video OP.

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u/That_Confidence83 Trash Trooper 17h ago

I know both systems. I’m an American living in Austria. My in-laws built a house out of bricks which is half a meter thick. It’s almost 40 years old now and still in top condition. That baby is indestructible. I helped them build their second house, which is half of a old stone barn, and the other half of modern material. Cinder blocks, and insulation also inside and outside. Also a good two feet thick. The beams alone for the roof are also a foot thick. The heat stays out in the summer, and the warmth stays inside in the winter. We often get winds over 60mph, and you hear nothing. And never have to worry about damage. The quality here is just so much better.

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u/dufo7 Trash Trooper 17h ago

40 years is not old for a house.

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u/Coool_cool_cool_cool Trash Trooper 17h ago

People act like New England isn't littered with houses from the 1600 and 1700s. The house I grew up in was built in 1735. My current house is 105 years old and the child's dollhouse connected to the house was built over 50 years ago. Of course there's not going to be 300 year old houses in the areas we didn't populate until well into the 1800s and early 1900s.

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u/Flobking Trash Trooper 15h ago

People act like New England isn't littered with houses from the 1600 and 1700s. The house I grew up in was built in 1735.

I roll my eyes every time a european says "I grew up in a house older than the US!" like it's some slam dunk. SO DID I, and I live in the US.

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u/dufo7 Trash Trooper 17h ago

We didnt say anything about any of that. Just saying a 40 year old house is nothing special. Quite the opposite really, if a house cant make it 40 years in good condition its a shit house.

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u/Sudden_Buffalo_4393 Trash Trooper 17h ago

My wood house is almost 100 years old in LA. Withstood constant earthquakes.

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u/TheDarkGoblin39 Trash Trooper 17h ago

Yeah my wood house is 104 years old and still in great shape. We redid the interior drywall and ceilings when we moved in but there are 0 issues with the frame

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u/hovershark Trash Trooper 17h ago

No, this is Reddit. The American one HAS to be worse.

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u/tylerforward Trash Trooper 17h ago

Wooden houses (America): 😡🤢🤡

Wooden houses (Japan): 😍🥳💕

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u/BentoBus2 Trash Trooper 17h ago

I love this guys channel so much. He’s a really great teacher and I appreciate how good he is at demonstrating things visually.

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u/49JC Trash Trooper 16h ago

Each house is designed for it’s environment. Brick may make more sense for being more stable, but whether be a hurricane, tornado, or earthquake, the brick house and the wood house will be damaged m. However, one is easier, cheaper, and quicker to replace and fix.

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u/Acrobatic-Flan-5085 Trash Trooper 16h ago

Highly recommend subbing to this guys channel. The information he puts out is outstandingly good and even more impressive when you consider how much density he can pack into a short

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u/Deadman_Wonderland Trash Trooper 16h ago

I live in tornado valley, I'll take the European house any day of the week. I've seen enough tornado and wind damages to neighborhoods in my lifetime to know how poorly built our Americans homes are. Just last year, there was an ef3 tornado that rip through a neighborhood a few miles where I live, there was nothing left of some houses but the concrete foundation. Even with a basement, people died because the floor above them also got ripped away. There was another incident many years ago, I watched as a house a few streets down got its roof and half the house blown apart from just 90mph gust, not even a direct hit from tornado.

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u/Shike Trash Trooper 16h ago

All houses should be built to the environment that suits them best, and odds are the population living there figured it out a long time ago.

Wood houses are cheap to construct, reasonably effective when engineered/built properly, easy to modify as needed, have excellent resistance against quakes, can handle high winds, etc. Typically won't last as long as brick due to moisture, more maintenance sensitive, pests, fires, etc. If you look at abandoned wood vs. brick buildings it's not hard to say which will deteriorate faster as a fact of life.

Brick is more expensive and will likely last longer if the location allows for it having well behaved weather and lack of quakes. Catastrophic failure of unreinforced brick has real concerns for search and rescue - a wood house vs a brick house being knocked over have different failure modes making environmental impact and how its built significantly more important.

Roughly half the US could theoretically support brick, but brick has generally fallen out of favor as it's easier to work on wood construction which means it has the largest area of expertise to draw from.

The value of wood construction paid off when direct to home electricity, water, and the invention of the AC all happened. The ability to rough these in rapidly and put your home to looking as good as new is significant - our houses are built to adopt new technologies fast at the cost of longevity.

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u/Domo-ArigatoMrRoboto Trash Trooper 15h ago

Live in the US in a 100+ year old wooden house. It is doing just fine.

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u/Pitiful_Hedgehog6343 Trash Trooper 15h ago

I live in an earthquake zone, brick is no bueno

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u/justbrowsinginpeace Trash Trooper 12h ago

what actually matters is the supervison and implementation of building standards. And if you don't have them then good luck.

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u/Banzambo Trash Trooper 9h ago

Sorry man, not convinced here. It's not just about resisting a random, mild hammer blow in real life. Both houses have pros and cons for sure. But I'd still go for bricks and concrete rather than wood and insulation foam, if I had to choose.

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u/rgheno Trash Trooper 9h ago

What matters is how it’s usually done where you live, both can work great or horribly

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u/TheBanishedBard Trash Trooper 9h ago

The US doesn't record thousands of deaths every time there's a heatwave.

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u/gibon007 Trash Trooper 17h ago

People run channels in blocks? I don't think so bud.

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u/Tw1nFTW Trash Trooper 17h ago

I’m actually interested to know if that’s standard in Europe. I build in the USA, but coastal Florida, so we’re also block. The walls are typically furred out for plumbing and electrical.

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u/Radiant_Heron_2572 Trash Trooper 17h ago edited 17h ago

Is he suggesting that people only run the wiring through the insulation cavity?

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u/EdocKrow Trash Trooper 17h ago

Where else would you run it?

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u/mmnmnnmnnnm Trash Trooper 17h ago

Yes? That’s exactly where it is in modern homes. They drill through studs and run the wires through.

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